diff --git a/e2e/package.json b/e2e/package.json
index 430656a69..dbd86d01e 100644
--- a/e2e/package.json
+++ b/e2e/package.json
@@ -34,6 +34,7 @@
 	"devDependencies": {
 		"@sitespeed.io/edgedriver": "^112.0.1722-34",
 		"@tldraw/editor": "workspace:*",
+		"@tldraw/indices": "workspace:*",
 		"@tldraw/primitives": "workspace:*",
 		"@types/mocha": "^10.0.1",
 		"@types/sharp": "^0.31.1",
diff --git a/e2e/test/specs/reorder.ts b/e2e/test/specs/reorder.ts
index 88d7e40e9..7e0dfe9ea 100644
--- a/e2e/test/specs/reorder.ts
+++ b/e2e/test/specs/reorder.ts
@@ -1,16 +1,8 @@
+import { sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import { runtime, ui } from '../helpers'
 import { app } from '../helpers/ui'
 import { describe, it } from '../mocha-ext'
 
-const sortByIndex = (a, b) => {
-	if (a.index < b.index) {
-		return -1
-	} else if (a.index > b.index) {
-		return 1
-	}
-	return 0
-}
-
 describe('reorder', () => {
 	const createShapes = async () => {
 		await ui.tools.click('rectangle')
diff --git a/e2e/tsconfig.json b/e2e/tsconfig.json
index 9e864b6cf..2134f18ca 100644
--- a/e2e/tsconfig.json
+++ b/e2e/tsconfig.json
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
 	},
 	"references": [
 		{ "path": "../packages/editor" },
+		{ "path": "../packages/indices" },
 		{ "path": "../packages/tlschema" },
 		{ "path": "../packages/tlstore" },
 		{ "path": "../packages/primitives" }
diff --git a/packages/editor/api-report.md b/packages/editor/api-report.md
index 5f8ff5897..11c01cce1 100644
--- a/packages/editor/api-report.md
+++ b/packages/editor/api-report.md
@@ -17,6 +17,13 @@ import { EASINGS } from '@tldraw/primitives';
 import { EmbedDefinition } from '@tldraw/tlschema';
 import { EventEmitter } from 'eventemitter3';
 import { getHashForString } from '@tldraw/utils';
+import { getIndexAbove } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndexBelow } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndexBetween } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndices } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndicesAbove } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndicesBelow } from '@tldraw/indices';
+import { getIndicesBetween } from '@tldraw/indices';
 import { HistoryEntry } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
 import { ID } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
 import { MatLike } from '@tldraw/primitives';
@@ -33,6 +40,7 @@ import { SelectionEdge } from '@tldraw/primitives';
 import { SelectionHandle } from '@tldraw/primitives';
 import { SerializedSchema } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
 import { Signal } from 'signia';
+import { sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices';
 import { StoreSchema } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
 import { StoreSnapshot } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
 import { StoreValidator } from '@tldraw/tlstore';
@@ -754,32 +762,19 @@ export function getImageSizeFromSrc(dataURL: string): Promise<{
 // @public
 export function getIncrementedName(name: string, others: string[]): string;
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndexAbove(below: string): string;
+export { getIndexAbove }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndexBelow(above: string): string;
+export { getIndexBelow }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndexBetween(below: string, above?: string): string;
+export { getIndexBetween }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndexGenerator(): () => string;
+export { getIndices }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndices(n: number): string[];
+export { getIndicesAbove }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndicesAbove(below: string, n: number): string[];
+export { getIndicesBelow }
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndicesBelow(above: string, n: number): string[];
-
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getIndicesBetween(below: string | undefined, above: string | undefined, n: number): string[];
-
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function getMaxIndex(...indices: (string | undefined)[]): string;
+export { getIndicesBetween }
 
 // @public
 export function getMediaAssetFromFile(file: File): Promise<TLAsset>;
@@ -883,9 +878,6 @@ export const ICON_SIZES: Record<TLSizeType, number>;
 // @public (undocumented)
 export const INDENT = "  ";
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function indexGenerator(n?: number): Generator<string, void, unknown>;
-
 // @public (undocumented)
 export interface InitializingSyncedStore {
     // (undocumented)
@@ -1470,15 +1462,7 @@ export function setRuntimeOverrides(input: Partial<typeof runtime>): void;
 // @public (undocumented)
 export function snapToGrid(n: number, gridSize: number): number;
 
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function sortById<T extends {
-    id: string;
-}>(a: T, b: T): -1 | 0 | 1;
-
-// @public (undocumented)
-export function sortByIndex<T extends {
-    index: string;
-}>(a: T, b: T): -1 | 0 | 1;
+export { sortByIndex }
 
 // @public (undocumented)
 export abstract class StateNode implements Partial<TLEventHandlers> {
diff --git a/packages/editor/package.json b/packages/editor/package.json
index fb1d1c614..44ac3ade7 100644
--- a/packages/editor/package.json
+++ b/packages/editor/package.json
@@ -45,6 +45,7 @@
 		"lint": "yarn run -T tsx ../../scripts/lint.ts"
 	},
 	"dependencies": {
+		"@tldraw/indices": "workspace:*",
 		"@tldraw/primitives": "workspace:*",
 		"@tldraw/tlschema": "workspace:*",
 		"@tldraw/tlstore": "workspace:*",
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/index.ts b/packages/editor/src/index.ts
index 57bf1936d..69ffd9a3f 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/index.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/index.ts
@@ -1,6 +1,16 @@
 // Important! don't move this tlschema re-export to lib/index.ts, doing so causes esbuild to produce
 // incorrect output. https://github.com/evanw/esbuild/issues/1737
 
+export {
+	getIndexAbove,
+	getIndexBelow,
+	getIndexBetween,
+	getIndices,
+	getIndicesAbove,
+	getIndicesBelow,
+	getIndicesBetween,
+	sortByIndex,
+} from '@tldraw/indices'
 // eslint-disable-next-line local/no-export-star
 export * from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 export { getHashForString } from '@tldraw/utils'
@@ -243,20 +253,6 @@ export { hardResetApp } from './lib/utils/hard-reset'
 export { isAnimated, isGIF } from './lib/utils/is-gif-animated'
 export { setPropsForNextShape } from './lib/utils/props-for-next-shape'
 export { refreshPage } from './lib/utils/refresh-page'
-export {
-	getIndexAbove,
-	getIndexBelow,
-	getIndexBetween,
-	getIndexGenerator,
-	getIndices,
-	getIndicesAbove,
-	getIndicesBelow,
-	getIndicesBetween,
-	getMaxIndex,
-	indexGenerator,
-	sortById,
-	sortByIndex,
-} from './lib/utils/reordering/reordering'
 export {
 	applyRotationToSnapshotShapes,
 	getRotationSnapshot,
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/App.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/App.ts
index ab4968633..70ac619d4 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/App.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/App.ts
@@ -1,24 +1,28 @@
 import {
-	approximately,
-	areAnglesCompatible,
+	getIndexAbove,
+	getIndexBetween,
+	getIndices,
+	getIndicesAbove,
+	getIndicesBetween,
+	sortByIndex,
+} from '@tldraw/indices'
+import {
 	Box2d,
-	clamp,
 	EASINGS,
-	intersectPolygonPolygon,
 	MatLike,
 	Matrix2d,
 	Matrix2dModel,
 	PI2,
-	pointInPolygon,
 	Vec2d,
 	VecLike,
+	approximately,
+	areAnglesCompatible,
+	clamp,
+	intersectPolygonPolygon,
+	pointInPolygon,
 } from '@tldraw/primitives'
 import {
 	Box2dModel,
-	createCustomShapeId,
-	createShapeId,
-	isShape,
-	isShapeId,
 	TLArrowShape,
 	TLAsset,
 	TLAssetId,
@@ -54,14 +58,26 @@ import {
 	TLUserId,
 	TLVideoAsset,
 	Vec2dModel,
+	createCustomShapeId,
+	createShapeId,
+	isShape,
+	isShapeId,
 } from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 import { BaseRecord, ComputedCache, HistoryEntry } from '@tldraw/tlstore'
-import { annotateError, compact, dedupe, deepCopy, partition, structuredClone } from '@tldraw/utils'
+import {
+	annotateError,
+	compact,
+	dedupe,
+	deepCopy,
+	partition,
+	sortById,
+	structuredClone,
+} from '@tldraw/utils'
 import { EventEmitter } from 'eventemitter3'
 import { nanoid } from 'nanoid'
-import { atom, computed, EMPTY_ARRAY, transact } from 'signia'
-import { TldrawEditorConfig } from '../config/TldrawEditorConfig'
+import { EMPTY_ARRAY, atom, computed, transact } from 'signia'
 import { TLShapeDef } from '../config/TLShapeDefinition'
+import { TldrawEditorConfig } from '../config/TldrawEditorConfig'
 import {
 	ANIMATION_MEDIUM_MS,
 	BLACKLISTED_PROPS,
@@ -79,27 +95,18 @@ import {
 	MAX_PAGES,
 	MAX_SHAPES_PER_PAGE,
 	MAX_ZOOM,
-	MIN_ZOOM,
 	MINOR_NUDGE_FACTOR,
+	MIN_ZOOM,
 	STYLES,
 	SVG_PADDING,
 	ZOOMS,
 } from '../constants'
 import { exportPatternSvgDefs } from '../hooks/usePattern'
+import { WeakMapCache } from '../utils/WeakMapCache'
 import { dataUrlToFile, getMediaAssetFromFile } from '../utils/assets'
 import { getIncrementedName, uniqueId } from '../utils/data'
 import { setPropsForNextShape } from '../utils/props-for-next-shape'
-import {
-	getIndexAbove,
-	getIndexBetween,
-	getIndices,
-	getIndicesAbove,
-	getIndicesBetween,
-	sortById,
-	sortByIndex,
-} from '../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import { applyRotationToSnapshotShapes, getRotationSnapshot } from '../utils/rotation'
-import { WeakMapCache } from '../utils/WeakMapCache'
 import { arrowBindingsIndex } from './derivations/arrowBindingsIndex'
 import { parentsToChildrenWithIndexes } from './derivations/parentsToChildrenWithIndexes'
 import { shapeIdsInCurrentPage } from './derivations/shapeIdsInCurrentPage'
@@ -111,18 +118,18 @@ import { HistoryManager } from './managers/HistoryManager'
 import { SnapManager } from './managers/SnapManager'
 import { TextManager } from './managers/TextManager'
 import { TickManager } from './managers/TickManager'
-import { TLExportColors } from './shapeutils/shared/TLExportColors'
+import { TLArrowShapeDef } from './shapeutils/TLArrowUtil/TLArrowUtil'
 import { getCurvedArrowInfo } from './shapeutils/TLArrowUtil/arrow/curved-arrow'
 import {
 	getArrowTerminalsInArrowSpace,
 	getIsArrowStraight,
 } from './shapeutils/TLArrowUtil/arrow/shared'
 import { getStraightArrowInfo } from './shapeutils/TLArrowUtil/arrow/straight-arrow'
-import { TLArrowShapeDef } from './shapeutils/TLArrowUtil/TLArrowUtil'
 import { TLFrameShapeDef } from './shapeutils/TLFrameUtil/TLFrameUtil'
 import { TLGroupShapeDef } from './shapeutils/TLGroupUtil/TLGroupUtil'
 import { TLResizeMode, TLShapeUtil } from './shapeutils/TLShapeUtil'
 import { TLTextShapeDef } from './shapeutils/TLTextUtil/TLTextUtil'
+import { TLExportColors } from './shapeutils/shared/TLExportColors'
 import { RootState } from './statechart/RootState'
 import { StateNode } from './statechart/StateNode'
 import { TLClipboardModel } from './types/clipboard-types'
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/derivations/parentsToChildrenWithIndexes.test.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/derivations/parentsToChildrenWithIndexes.test.ts
index 5524dfff9..fc647de7c 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/derivations/parentsToChildrenWithIndexes.test.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/derivations/parentsToChildrenWithIndexes.test.ts
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
+import { getIndexAbove, getIndexBetween } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import { createCustomShapeId } from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 import { TestApp } from '../../test/TestApp'
-import { getIndexAbove, getIndexBetween } from '../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 
 let app: TestApp
 
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/managers/SnapManager.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/managers/SnapManager.ts
index 4b18acd36..fc5cc6c04 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/managers/SnapManager.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/managers/SnapManager.ts
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+import { sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import {
 	Box2d,
 	flipSelectionHandleX,
@@ -15,7 +16,6 @@ import { TLLineShape, TLParentId, TLShape, TLShapeId, Vec2dModel } from '@tldraw
 import { compact, dedupe, deepCopy } from '@tldraw/utils'
 import { atom, computed, EMPTY_ARRAY } from 'signia'
 import { uniqueId } from '../../utils/data'
-import { sortByIndex } from '../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import type { App } from '../App'
 import { getSplineForLineShape, TLLineShapeDef } from '../shapeutils/TLLineUtil/TLLineUtil'
 
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/shapeutils/TLLineUtil/TLLineUtil.tsx b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/shapeutils/TLLineUtil/TLLineUtil.tsx
index 0effc4616..6f26751f1 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/shapeutils/TLLineUtil/TLLineUtil.tsx
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/shapeutils/TLLineUtil/TLLineUtil.tsx
@@ -1,29 +1,29 @@
 /* eslint-disable react-hooks/rules-of-hooks */
+import { getIndexBetween, sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import {
 	CubicSpline2d,
-	getDrawLinePathData,
-	intersectLineSegmentPolyline,
-	pointNearToPolyline,
 	Polyline2d,
 	Vec2d,
 	VecLike,
+	getDrawLinePathData,
+	intersectLineSegmentPolyline,
+	pointNearToPolyline,
 } from '@tldraw/primitives'
 import {
-	lineShapeMigrations,
-	lineShapeTypeValidator,
 	TLHandle,
 	TLLineShape,
+	lineShapeMigrations,
+	lineShapeTypeValidator,
 } from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 import { deepCopy } from '@tldraw/utils'
 import { SVGContainer } from '../../../components/SVGContainer'
 import { defineShape } from '../../../config/TLShapeDefinition'
-import { getIndexBetween, sortByIndex } from '../../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import { WeakMapCache } from '../../../utils/WeakMapCache'
-import { getPerfectDashProps } from '../shared/getPerfectDashProps'
+import { OnHandleChangeHandler, OnResizeHandler, TLShapeUtil } from '../TLShapeUtil'
 import { ShapeFill } from '../shared/ShapeFill'
 import { TLExportColors } from '../shared/TLExportColors'
+import { getPerfectDashProps } from '../shared/getPerfectDashProps'
 import { useForceSolid } from '../shared/useForceSolid'
-import { OnHandleChangeHandler, OnResizeHandler, TLShapeUtil } from '../TLShapeUtil'
 import { getLineDrawPath, getLineIndicatorPath, getLinePoints } from './components/getLinePath'
 import { getLineSvg } from './components/getLineSvg'
 
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLLineTool/children/Pointing.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLLineTool/children/Pointing.ts
index f9c8adcc7..997036889 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLLineTool/children/Pointing.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLLineTool/children/Pointing.ts
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
+import { getIndexAbove, sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import { Matrix2d, Vec2d } from '@tldraw/primitives'
 import { TLHandle, TLLineShape, TLShapeId, TLShapeType, createShapeId } from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 import { last, structuredClone } from '@tldraw/utils'
-import { getIndexAbove, sortByIndex } from '../../../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import { TLEventHandlers, TLInterruptEvent } from '../../../types/event-types'
 import { StateNode } from '../../StateNode'
 import { TLLineTool } from '../TLLineTool'
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLSelectTool/children/DraggingHandle.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLSelectTool/children/DraggingHandle.ts
index cb2b6a861..78f14ce67 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLSelectTool/children/DraggingHandle.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/app/statechart/TLSelectTool/children/DraggingHandle.ts
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+import { sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import { Matrix2d, snapAngle, Vec2d } from '@tldraw/primitives'
 import {
 	TLArrowShape,
@@ -7,7 +8,6 @@ import {
 	TLShapePartial,
 } from '@tldraw/tlschema'
 import { deepCopy } from '@tldraw/utils'
-import { sortByIndex } from '../../../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import {
 	TLCancelEvent,
 	TLEventHandlers,
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/test/tools/groups.test.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/test/tools/groups.test.ts
index 90696bd48..9fe89d938 100644
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/test/tools/groups.test.ts
+++ b/packages/editor/src/lib/test/tools/groups.test.ts
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
+import { sortByIndex } from '@tldraw/indices'
 import { approximately, Box2d, VecLike } from '@tldraw/primitives'
 import {
 	createCustomShapeId,
@@ -16,7 +17,6 @@ import { TLDrawTool } from '../../app/statechart/TLDrawTool/TLDrawTool'
 import { TLEraserTool } from '../../app/statechart/TLEraserTool/TLEraserTool'
 import { TLLineTool } from '../../app/statechart/TLLineTool/TLLineTool'
 import { TLNoteTool } from '../../app/statechart/TLNoteTool/TLNoteTool'
-import { sortByIndex } from '../../utils/reordering/reordering'
 import { TestApp } from '../TestApp'
 
 let i = 0
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/reordering.ts b/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/reordering.ts
deleted file mode 100644
index 1157a36fc..000000000
--- a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/reordering.ts
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,81 +0,0 @@
-import { generateKeyBetween, generateNKeysBetween } from './dgreensp'
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndicesBetween(below: string | undefined, above: string | undefined, n: number) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(below, above, n)
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndicesAbove(below: string, n: number) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(below, undefined, n)
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndicesBelow(above: string, n: number) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(undefined, above, n)
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndexBetween(below: string, above?: string) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(below, above, 1)[0]
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndexAbove(below: string) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(below, undefined, 1)[0]
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndexBelow(above: string) {
-	return generateNKeysBetween(undefined, above, 1)[0]
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndices(n: number) {
-	return ['a1', ...generateNKeysBetween('a1', undefined, n)]
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getIndexGenerator() {
-	let order = 'a1'
-	return () => {
-		order = generateKeyBetween(order, undefined)
-		return order
-	}
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function* indexGenerator(n = 1) {
-	let order = 'a1'
-	let i = 0
-	while (i < n) {
-		i++
-		order = generateKeyBetween(order, undefined)
-		yield order
-	}
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function sortByIndex<T extends { index: string }>(a: T, b: T) {
-	if (a.index < b.index) {
-		return -1
-	} else if (a.index > b.index) {
-		return 1
-	}
-	return 0
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function sortById<T extends { id: string }>(a: T, b: T) {
-	if (a.id < b.id) {
-		return -1
-	} else if (a.id > b.id) {
-		return 1
-	}
-	return 0
-}
-
-/** @public */
-export function getMaxIndex(...indices: (string | undefined)[]): string {
-	return indices.reduce((acc, curr) => (!curr ? acc : acc! < curr ? curr : acc), 'a1')!
-}
diff --git a/packages/editor/tsconfig.json b/packages/editor/tsconfig.json
index 93e3fdb01..e07879d98 100644
--- a/packages/editor/tsconfig.json
+++ b/packages/editor/tsconfig.json
@@ -15,6 +15,7 @@
 		{ "path": "../tlschema" },
 		{ "path": "../tlstore" },
 		{ "path": "../tlvalidate" },
-		{ "path": "../utils" }
+		{ "path": "../utils" },
+		{ "path": "../indices" }
 	]
 }
diff --git a/packages/indices/CHANGELOG.md b/packages/indices/CHANGELOG.md
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e69de29bb
diff --git a/packages/indices/LICENSE b/packages/indices/LICENSE
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..4f227c380
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/LICENSE
@@ -0,0 +1,190 @@
+                                 Apache License
+                           Version 2.0, January 2004
+                        http://www.apache.org/licenses/
+
+TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE, REPRODUCTION, AND DISTRIBUTION
+
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+
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+    and distribution as defined by Sections 1 through 9 of this document.
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+
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+
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diff --git a/packages/indices/README.md b/packages/indices/README.md
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..1fd048535
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/README.md
@@ -0,0 +1,77 @@
+# @tldraw/indices
+
+Welcome to **indices** by [tldraw](https://tldraw.dev). This library provides functions for features that rely on fractional indexing. It is based on the observable [Implementing Fractional Indexing](https://observablehq.com/@dgreensp/implementing-fractional-indexing) by [@DavidG](https://twitter.com/DavidG).
+
+Fractional indexing is a method for creating indices between other indices without running into precision errors. This is useful when items are modeled as object maps rather than as arrays.
+
+For example, imagine a stack of 5 cards:
+
+```ts
+const cards = {
+	A: 0,
+	B: 1,
+	C: 2,
+	D: 3,
+	E: 4,
+}
+```
+
+In a naive implementation of indexing, moving card E to the "bottom" of the stack would mean changing every item in the map.
+
+```ts
+const cards = {
+	A: 1,
+	B: 2,
+	C: 3,
+	D: 4,
+	E: 0, // <-- moved to back
+}
+```
+
+each with an index between `0` and `51`. In a naive implementation of indices, moving the top card (index `51`) to the bottom of the deck would mean changing its index to `0`, changing the previous bottom card's index to `1`, and so forth incrementing every other card's index by one.
+
+## Installation
+
+```bash
+npm i @tldraw/indices
+# or
+yarn add @tldraw/indices
+```
+
+## Usage
+
+### getIndexBetween
+
+Get an index between two other indices.
+
+### getIndexAbove
+
+Get an index above a given index.
+
+### getIndexBelow
+
+Get an index below a given index.
+
+### getIndicesBetween
+
+Get a number of indices between two indices.
+
+### getIndicesAbove
+
+Get a number of indices above a given index.
+
+### getIndicesBelow
+
+Get a number of indices below a given index.
+
+### getIndices
+
+Get an array of indices with a given length.
+
+### `sortByIndex`
+
+Sort an array of objects by their `index` property.
+
+## License
+
+The source code in this repository (as well as our 2.0+ distributions and releases) are currently licensed under Apache-2.0. These licenses are subject to change in our upcoming 2.0 release. If you are planning to use tldraw in a commercial product, please reach out at [hello@tldraw.com](mailto://hello@tldraw.com).
diff --git a/packages/indices/api-extractor.json b/packages/indices/api-extractor.json
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f1ed80e93
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/api-extractor.json
@@ -0,0 +1,4 @@
+{
+	"$schema": "https://developer.microsoft.com/json-schemas/api-extractor/v7/api-extractor.schema.json",
+	"extends": "../../config/api-extractor.json"
+}
diff --git a/packages/indices/api-report.md b/packages/indices/api-report.md
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..85076cc70
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/api-report.md
@@ -0,0 +1,35 @@
+## API Report File for "@tldraw/indices"
+
+> Do not edit this file. It is a report generated by [API Extractor](https://api-extractor.com/).
+
+```ts
+
+// @public
+export function getIndexAbove(below: string): string;
+
+// @public
+export function getIndexBelow(above: string): string;
+
+// @public
+export function getIndexBetween(below: string, above?: string): string;
+
+// @public
+export function getIndices(n: number, start?: string): string[];
+
+// @public
+export function getIndicesAbove(below: string, n: number): string[];
+
+// @public
+export function getIndicesBelow(above: string, n: number): string[];
+
+// @public
+export function getIndicesBetween(below: string | undefined, above: string | undefined, n: number): string[];
+
+// @public
+export function sortByIndex<T extends {
+    index: string;
+}>(a: T, b: T): -1 | 0 | 1;
+
+// (No @packageDocumentation comment for this package)
+
+```
diff --git a/packages/indices/package.json b/packages/indices/package.json
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..5abae1108
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/package.json
@@ -0,0 +1,58 @@
+{
+	"name": "@tldraw/indices",
+	"description": "A tiny little drawing app (fractional indices).",
+	"version": "2.0.0-alpha.12",
+	"packageManager": "yarn@3.5.0",
+	"author": {
+		"name": "tldraw GB Ltd.",
+		"email": "hello@tldraw.com"
+	},
+	"homepage": "https://tldraw.dev",
+	"license": "Apache-2.0",
+	"repository": {
+		"type": "git",
+		"url": "https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw"
+	},
+	"bugs": {
+		"url": "https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw/issues"
+	},
+	"keywords": [
+		"tldraw",
+		"drawing",
+		"app",
+		"development",
+		"whiteboard",
+		"canvas",
+		"infinite",
+		"fractional",
+		"index"
+	],
+	"/* NOTE */": "These `main` and `types` fields are rewritten by the build script. They are not the actual values we publish",
+	"main": "./src/index.ts",
+	"types": "./.tsbuild/index.d.ts",
+	"/* GOTCHA */": "files will include ./dist and index.d.ts by default, add any others you want to include in here",
+	"files": [],
+	"scripts": {
+		"test": "lazy inherit",
+		"test-coverage": "lazy inherit",
+		"build": "yarn run -T tsx ../../scripts/build-package.ts",
+		"build-api": "yarn run -T tsx ../../scripts/build-api.ts",
+		"prepack": "yarn run -T tsx ../../scripts/prepack.ts",
+		"postpack": "../../scripts/postpack.sh",
+		"pack-tarball": "yarn pack",
+		"lint": "yarn run -T tsx ../../scripts/lint.ts"
+	},
+	"jest": {
+		"preset": "config/jest/node",
+		"moduleNameMapper": {
+			"^~(.*)": "<rootDir>/src/$1"
+		},
+		"transformIgnorePatterns": [
+			"node_modules/(?!(nanoid|escape-string-regexp)/)"
+		]
+	},
+	"devDependencies": {
+		"benchmark": "^2.1.4",
+		"lazyrepo": "0.0.0-alpha.26"
+	}
+}
diff --git a/packages/indices/src/index.ts b/packages/indices/src/index.ts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..020568622
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/src/index.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+export {
+	getIndexAbove,
+	getIndexBelow,
+	getIndexBetween,
+	getIndices,
+	getIndicesAbove,
+	getIndicesBelow,
+	getIndicesBetween,
+	sortByIndex,
+} from './lib/reordering'
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/dgreensp.test.ts b/packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/dgreensp.test.ts
similarity index 100%
rename from packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/dgreensp.test.ts
rename to packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/dgreensp.test.ts
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/dgreensp.ts b/packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/dgreensp.ts
similarity index 100%
rename from packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/dgreensp.ts
rename to packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/dgreensp.ts
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/index.ts b/packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/index.ts
similarity index 100%
rename from packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/dgreensp/index.ts
rename to packages/indices/src/lib/dgreensp/index.ts
diff --git a/packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/reordering.test.ts b/packages/indices/src/lib/reordering.test.ts
similarity index 100%
rename from packages/editor/src/lib/utils/reordering/reordering.test.ts
rename to packages/indices/src/lib/reordering.test.ts
diff --git a/packages/indices/src/lib/reordering.ts b/packages/indices/src/lib/reordering.ts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..ea3c5011d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/src/lib/reordering.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,84 @@
+import { generateNKeysBetween } from './dgreensp'
+
+/**
+ * Get a number of indices between two indices.
+ * @param below - (optional) The index below.
+ * @param above - (optional) The index above.
+ * @param n - The number of indices to get.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndicesBetween(below: string | undefined, above: string | undefined, n: number) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(below, above, n)
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get a number of indices above an index.
+ * @param below - The index below.
+ * @param n - The number of indices to get.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndicesAbove(below: string, n: number) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(below, undefined, n)
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get a number of indices below an index.
+ * @param above - The index above.
+ * @param n - The number of indices to get.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndicesBelow(above: string, n: number) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(undefined, above, n)
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get the index between two indices.
+ * @param below - The index below.
+ * @param above - The index above.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndexBetween(below: string, above?: string) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(below, above, 1)[0]
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get the index above a given index.
+ * @param below - The index below.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndexAbove(below: string) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(below, undefined, 1)[0]
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get the index below a given index.
+ * @param above - The index above.
+ *  @public
+ */
+export function getIndexBelow(above: string) {
+	return generateNKeysBetween(undefined, above, 1)[0]
+}
+
+/**
+ * Get n number of indices, starting at an index.
+ * @param n - The number of indices to get.
+ * @param start - (optional) The index to start at.
+ * @public
+ */
+export function getIndices(n: number, start = 'a1') {
+	return [start, ...generateNKeysBetween(start, undefined, n)]
+}
+
+/**
+ * Sort by index.
+ * @param a - An object with an index property.
+ * @param b - An object with an index property.
+ * @public */
+export function sortByIndex<T extends { index: string }>(a: T, b: T) {
+	if (a.index < b.index) {
+		return -1
+	} else if (a.index > b.index) {
+		return 1
+	}
+	return 0
+}
diff --git a/packages/indices/tsconfig.json b/packages/indices/tsconfig.json
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..5ca07842c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/indices/tsconfig.json
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+{
+	"extends": "../../config/tsconfig.base.json",
+	"include": ["src"],
+	"exclude": ["node_modules", "dist", ".tsbuild*"],
+	"compilerOptions": {
+		"outDir": "./.tsbuild",
+		"rootDir": "src"
+	},
+	"references": [{ "path": "../tlschema" }]
+}
diff --git a/packages/utils/api-report.md b/packages/utils/api-report.md
index 8f6c1fc8c..a49c5b11f 100644
--- a/packages/utils/api-report.md
+++ b/packages/utils/api-report.md
@@ -140,6 +140,11 @@ export function rng(seed?: string): () => number;
 // @public
 export function rotateArray<T>(arr: T[], offset: number): T[];
 
+// @public (undocumented)
+export function sortById<T extends {
+    id: any;
+}>(a: T, b: T): -1 | 1;
+
 // @public (undocumented)
 const structuredClone_2: <T>(i: T) => T;
 export { structuredClone_2 as structuredClone }
diff --git a/packages/utils/src/index.ts b/packages/utils/src/index.ts
index 35eb270da..ff7e582c5 100644
--- a/packages/utils/src/index.ts
+++ b/packages/utils/src/index.ts
@@ -24,4 +24,5 @@ export {
 	objectMapValues,
 } from './lib/object'
 export { rafThrottle, throttledRaf } from './lib/raf'
+export { sortById } from './lib/sort'
 export { isDefined, isNonNull, isNonNullish, structuredClone } from './lib/value'
diff --git a/packages/utils/src/lib/sort.ts b/packages/utils/src/lib/sort.ts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b94aa3aac
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/utils/src/lib/sort.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,4 @@
+/** @public */
+export function sortById<T extends { id: any }>(a: T, b: T) {
+	return a.id > b.id ? 1 : -1
+}
diff --git a/public-yarn.lock b/public-yarn.lock
index d22a63954..387d81ff4 100644
--- a/public-yarn.lock
+++ b/public-yarn.lock
@@ -4577,6 +4577,7 @@ __metadata:
   dependencies:
     "@sitespeed.io/edgedriver": ^112.0.1722-34
     "@tldraw/editor": "workspace:*"
+    "@tldraw/indices": "workspace:*"
     "@tldraw/primitives": "workspace:*"
     "@types/mocha": ^10.0.1
     "@types/sharp": ^0.31.1
@@ -4610,6 +4611,7 @@ __metadata:
     "@peculiar/webcrypto": ^1.4.0
     "@testing-library/jest-dom": ^5.16.5
     "@testing-library/react": ^14.0.0
+    "@tldraw/indices": "workspace:*"
     "@tldraw/primitives": "workspace:*"
     "@tldraw/tlschema": "workspace:*"
     "@tldraw/tlstore": "workspace:*"
@@ -4659,6 +4661,15 @@ __metadata:
   languageName: unknown
   linkType: soft
 
+"@tldraw/indices@workspace:*, @tldraw/indices@workspace:packages/indices":
+  version: 0.0.0-use.local
+  resolution: "@tldraw/indices@workspace:packages/indices"
+  dependencies:
+    benchmark: ^2.1.4
+    lazyrepo: 0.0.0-alpha.26
+  languageName: unknown
+  linkType: soft
+
 "@tldraw/monorepo@workspace:.":
   version: 0.0.0-use.local
   resolution: "@tldraw/monorepo@workspace:."